Friday, August 13, 2010

What is a Christian PUA ?

This is my first post and my first blog. Recently I have decided to gain the skills needed to approach women that I find attractive for reasons that are definitely pleasing to GOD. It all started after a very good Christian woman that I loved like crazy for all the right reasons rejected me without even giving the slightest chance to show her who I am and without even considering my qualifications. I am a young doctor, I am tall and handsome and I am one of the best Bible scholars that you will meet. After than I started thinking and came to a very obvious conclusion and that was that Christian women, the real ones who have a saving knowledge of Lord and Saviour are never the less women. As simple as that might seem it had escaped me, they get attracted to the same qualities in men that ungodly women do and then some. There are additional requirements that a Christian girl has versus less requirements. So, if I do not have the main core of this manly character that attracts women then no woman will be attracted to me, christian or not. Now that causes a problem doesn't it, because if I feel lust and I can not live my life without ever having sex then I have to attract a woman that I find attractive and marry her.
Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.2  But, because of fornication, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.3  Let the husband render unto the wife her due: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.4  The wife hath not power over her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power over his own body, but the wife.5  Defraud ye not one the other, except it be by consent for a season, that ye may give yourselves unto prayer, and may be together again, that Satan tempt you not because of your incontinency.6  But this I say by way of concession, not of commandment.7  Yet I would that all men were even as I myself. Howbeit each man hath his own gift from God, one after this manner, and another after that.8  But I say to the unmarried and to widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.9  But if they have not continency, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
As you might already know this is from 1st Corinthians 7, this is the text directly addressing marriage and sex in the new testament. If I am a new testament believer which is the only type of believer you can be in this age, then this is my text, this is the code. So, I feel lust, I have to get married. That's what the text tells me.
So what should I do ?
Many suggested to me that I just wait, well lust doesn't really wait. I am past thirty, I feel a desire to have sex every single day. I feel a need to share my life with a woman that loves and respects me every single day. To wait is to be tempted for more years and consequently live in sin.
Another problem is that if I where to marry some girl that I do not find attractive just because she is the only one available then that would not solve my problem and I will end up divorced and have an even bigger problem. I will always remember that I married her just because I couldn't get anyone else and not ever letting her know this will be something that I can not promise that I will do. Also the way I value her will always be affected by this fact which is that to me she was the only choice, nothing more.
Then came that day and one of my friends who is less computer savvy than myself suggested that I search the internet for a solution and I did find one. They call that the pickup community.These guys offer exactly what I want they support the transition of guys who can not meet women to guys who can attract any woman that they want. I started reading the material like crazy, I applied it and it was amazing, I could actually get the phone number of complete stranger in less than a minute. My self confidence was greater than it ever was and my whole mood was changed. Then I went back to the community and started reading again and that's when the shock came. Everybody in the community talks about sleeping with the girls, in my terms fornication. That was a problem because I need what they provide for all the right reasons, but reading their posts would remind me of this
Eph 5:12  for the things which are done by them in secret it is a shame even to speak of.
So, I started looking for one of these 'experts' who is a Christian and I could not find any. That's why I started this blog, may be there will be someone who can help and if not, I will write my progress notes and hopefully get the encouragement that I need to be pleasing to GOD while I learn this art.
Not learning is not an option, not learning how to attract women is living in sin. It is also the shortest cut to objectifying women and treating them like porn pictures because a woman like a man has two parts to her, the one is her body and that is something that I can interact with whenever I see a pretty girl. To me at this point she is just a picture an object, something to be used or avoided but never a person. I need to be able to communicate with her in order to personify rather than objectify.


  1. You posted this a while ago, please respond if this is still something your passionate about.

  2. think of it like this. pick up artists are nothing more than salesmen. there are good salesman and there are bad salesman. what is the difference between the two? the intention. when you understand that the game is nothing more than a sales process you can use it to attract the women you want but use it in the right way. i love the fact that there are men who run business off of the "game" but i think there is a huge niche that is missing, christian puas. i am a christian and i use tools from the mystery method but i make sure the gals i go after have the same core beliefs as i do. which means going to bars isnt going to do you much good. so buff up your day game. I have found kroger's produce isle is a great place to practice sarging. all pua know that women get drunk off of confidence and/or humor. when you understand this then add in an education on body language you can use those tools to attract the girl than the result is up to you. Pua can show you how to "close a sale" aka hook up with a girl but they have no idea what it takes to maintain a healthy relationship. but dont worry your bible is a perfect guide for that.

  3. I am a Christian, and also have had a track record of poor success with women. This applied to my pre-salvation relationships, as well as my post-conversion relationships. Sin, such as lust, jealousy and impatience obviously took its toll on ALL my relationships, but let's face it, those are things we would have to struggle against even in a Godly marriage.

    I got into PUA stuff by accident a year or so ago, by seeing Mystery Method stuff on youtube. When I first saw it, I was repulsed. But I began to see it as you have articulated it in your blog: some of what they teach is wrong (sinful, such as the professed intent being fornication), but the attitudes of confidence, openess, and being brave and going for what you want are not wrong. The Christian community has sidelined male sexuality as something to be feared, spanked, and put into a box and given to the wife.

    Let's face it; if you have been a Christian and listening to the Christian-psych crowd or similar stuff over the years, you know what I mean. A lot of guys that I know (Christian guys, that is) struggle with this area more than anything else. Marrying the first girl you see and white-knuckling to control your lusts the rest of your life isn't the solution. A Christian man has to get his own house in order, know who he is in God, and operate with confidence - not using grace as a license to sin, however.

    I could go on and on, but there is def. a need for Christian-PUA style teachings. Picking up girls to sleep with is of course not the answer, it is worldly and sinful. But understanding and knowing how to approach a woman, not feeling like a pervert about it, and not feeling crushed when a relationship doesn't work out are some of the good things the "PUAs" teach.

    Eat the meat, spit out the bones.

    There is a need for this.

    1. I can see where you are coming from. Im still myself trying to figure out what I beleive about it.
      You seem like a honest guy and are open to rightouness which is great and I totally agree. I DONT want to get into sin at all. Feel free to email me; i would like to chat more bro. Thanks peace

    2. bravo, great response to a great post. I am so happy to know I am not the only one who feels this way.

    3. bravo, great response to a great post. I am so happy to know I am not the only one who feels this way.

  4. I'm a strong believer and I really got into PUA stuff a few months ago. Since then I have had a theological battle in my own mind trying to decide whether or not PUA skills and tactics are a good idea to use, have in my life, and pursue learning. I recently read a quote from some random PUA chatboard admin because the board was about Christian PUAs. The admin stated there is a difference between the PUA lifestyle and the PUA skillset. The PUA skillset is the knowledge and skills needed to talk to girls and develop relationships with them.

    The lifestlye entails pursuing women purely for game or for sex. Not ok. However, I like the definition of the PUA skillset and think more Christian men need to develop this. I attend a Christian University and have never seen lousier game. Even the dudes who got game look like fools here. Kids get married young because they are afraid they will never find anyone or they have been discouraged from dating too many people by their pastor, and we wonder why the divorce rate in the Church is the same as the rest of the world...

    I have come to the conclusion it makes tons of sense for a Christian man to enhance his PUA skillset so long as his motives are pure and Godly.

    I'm in a research and learning process at this point, and as a full time student with two part time jobs and other dreams, aspirations, and callings; creating a Christian PUA manual is not my number one priority, but you may see some Youtube videos coming soon.

    Love you guys and God bless.


    1. Hey I used to be in the Pick up artist stuff before I was a christian and I did it a bit when I was a Luke warm christian. I was into Psychology for picking up woman before. I mean I think it is good to understand woman but the whole point of it is the condtion of the heart. I do have skills to with woman but its what you use with them. Being with a woman must be natural; and I was tempted to get back into the psychology but I think its wrong. Honestly; maybe If I was honest and just looked at it to understand the girl I know; it might be okay but I really highly doudt it.
      This is something to talk to God about and the Holy spirit will show us. But anyway; I would like to chat with you Brett.

      please email me at
      Thank you :)

  5. I found this blog cause I have the same problem, struggle when sarging and day 2

  6. Woooow! I'm so happy to find this blog! That's exactly what I was looking for.
    I want to meet girls I like for their beauty and personality , but i wasn't the type of guy they would like. One day I found out about the Game, and it was amazing, liberating, my hope. It helped me A LOT, even not doing approaches , the Inner Game side of it changed my life. But as a great tool I found that the goal of it wasn't that great, because I'm a christian and I want to keep my faith and Biblical principles, that created a huge doubt inside me. Game is a tool , a body of knowledge you can use for bad or good, use wisely and it will be a huge blessing.

    By the way sorry for my english, I'm brazilian.
    God bless you all! :D

  7. As Christian men we need to be attractive to our Christian women or they Marry non christians. PUAs have some universal skills we all need to be successful at creating attraction. Give it ago with the right intentions and see what God does. You may find your Esther. That is what I intend on doing.

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  9. I can't believe it, this is where I'm coming from too.

  10. I can't believe it, this is where I'm coming from too.

    1. Jeff, I'm just reaching out to you cause I'm heading down the same route. Your post is fairly recent here, so take this as a nudge to a future chat.

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  12. I am a Christian guy (yes, the "born-again" kind) who is 40 pounds overweight (6'1" and 222 lbs.) and I have been studying PUA and watching YouTube videos on the subject as well for the last month or so. I joined an online dating site to put some of what I learned to the test. I messaged this beautiful 26 year old Armenian woman who, in my opinion, was a 8, maybe even a 9. She labeled herself as "Christian" on her profile, but these days, that doesn't necessarily mean she's "born-again". She was very attractive, smart, and had a great personality. Well, we decided to meet up at a lounge for drinks (it was only a half a glass of wine each).

    So, let me back up and start at the beginning. I messaged this girl by making fun of her ability to speak 4 languages (it was on her dating profile). She messaged me back with an "lol" and a question about me, and after 4 more messages back and forth I got her phone number (I did the cocky & funny routine).

    By the next day we were texting back and forth and SHE called ME and I set up the date for drinks at the lounge for that Saturday evening.

    The first thing I did was go out and buy some quality clothes specifically for the date that would enhance my looks. I went to Macy's and bought a $60 Polo shirt and a pair of slim fit jeans from Abercrombie.

    When we met outside the lounge, I was relieved that she looked exactly like her photos (she even wore the same sexy dress in one of her photos on her dating profile).

    During the date I was confident, looked her straight in one eye (never look back and forth at both eyes) and asked her questions like "What are you most passionate about?" and other questions that dug deeper than just "What do you like to do for fun?", etc. I was picking up some major indicators of interest (IOIs) like her playing with her hair, adjusting her bra in the front (a sign that she's trying to get me to notice her 34C breasts, since I made it a priority not to look), and she "bumped" my leg under the table twice with her foot during our conversation. When she asked me if I wanted to finish the little bit of wine left in her glass, and I took a sip and then she drank the rest that I had left in her glass, I knew she was into me. You don't risk getting someone else's germs unless you're attracted to that person (i.e. kissing).

    So, after we left the lounge, I suggested we walk around town for a bit (lots of shops there). I immediately started testing kino by placing my hand lightly on her lower back. She didn't pull away. So, a few minutes later, I put my arm around her waist as we walked. Still, she didn't pull away. A few minutes after that, I decided to see if I could hold her hand while we walked. Again, she didn't pull away. For the rest of the date we held hands on and off.

    Long story short, by the end of the date, we were kissing (making out) in a dark alley before I walked her to her car and kissed her good night. By the way, I didn't ask her if I could kiss her, because an alpha male doesn't "ask". I knew I wanted to kiss those luscious lips of hers and I knew she was already comfortable with me (testing the different levels of kino), so I just made sure we walked to a more private area and I stopped and kissed her right on the lips. She actually moaned when I did. I kid you not. That's what happens when you're a CONFIDENT man and act like it. Women LOVE that. I then took her by the hand to a semi-dark alley a few steps away and we proceeded to make out for a bit.

    So, I can assure you that this PUA stuff works if you are confident enough to put it into practice and actually go through with going on a date with a girl you find extremely attractive.

    By now, you're probably wondering what this girl looks like. This is her Instagram page: